Dialysis Centers Within 30 Miles of Each Other

January 6th, 2009
  • I want a list of which of two companies' dialysis centers are within a 30 mile radius of each other. (in other words, where the do two companies have dialysis centers that overlap within a 30 mile radius?) The companies are Renal Care Group and Fresenius. The Medicare.gov website lists the addresses of dialysis centers by state, county, city, or zipcode. It designates Fresenius centers as FMC and Renal Care centers as RENAL CARE GROUP. http://www.medicare.gov/Dialysis/Include/DataSection/Questions/SearchCriteria.asp?version=default&browser=IE%7C6%7CWinXP&language=English&defaultstatus=0&pagelist=Home Right now the only time-effective way I can think of doing this is to go state-by-state and see how many FMC and RENAL CARE GROUP listings are in the same city. However, this is not so accurate for a 30-mile radius list, only a city-by-city list. I found a powerpoint presentation with a map of all of the Renal Care and Fresenius locations, but the data for that map is not available to the public. The powerpoint is available here: http://www.freseniusmedicalcare.de/internet/fmc/fmcag/agintpub.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/Rede_HV_2005_en/$FILE/RedeHV_Ben_HV_e_final.pdf and the chart is on slide 29. Ideally, I would also want to see which of the two companies' dialysis centers are within a 30 minute drive of each other as well, but I doubt that this is as easily determined as making a list of dialysis centers that are within 30 miles of each other.


  • Hi jguttman, Although quite time-consuming, I have found a way to calculate this information for you. However, my method will work only if you are interested in two facilities within a 30-mile radius *and in the same state*. If priced accordingly, I would be willing to compile this data. Note: This work will take at least a couple of days. Looking forward to your clarification. Best regards, Rainbow


  • I am working on your question, however, before I continue I need to clarify one thing. I have found a tool to calculate the distances between various facilities. However, the distance calculated is between the two zipcodes. Is this calculation sufficient? Looking forward to your clarification. Best regards, Rainbow


  • How much more would it cost for you to do it? Would $75 total be reasonable?


  • Thank you for your clarification. That would be fine. However, please note that the distances will be between the two zip codes, not exact addresses. Would that be ok? Best regards, Rainbow


  • I have unlocked the question to enable you to modify the price. Best regards, Rainbow


  • If it is not between the exact addresses, and only the zipcodes, then I don't know if I am willing to pay more than $50. If $50 is suffficient for this, then please continue calculating it. Also, I have noticed that some of the Renal Care Group listings in the Medicare website are listed as "RCG" and others are listed as "RENAL CARE GROUP". If possible, please incorporate both of these listings because they both refer to the same company's dialysis centers. Thank you.


  • Following two days of research, I have completed the requested information. However, after reading your clarification regarding Renal Care Group also being called RCG, I have located over 100 more centers. My apologies, but this additional research will take approximately three more days to complete. Thus, I am not able to do such time-consuming work for the price offered. Best regards, Rainbow


  • That is fine, will $75 be enough then? However, there are even more listings that I did not realize were listed differently. Fresenius centers are designated not only as "FMC" but also sometimes as "FMCNA". I would like those additional centers incorporated into the research as well, if you did not already incorporate them. Thanks.


  • Thank you for your clarification. I'm sorry, but approximately 3 days work deserves much more than $56.25, which would be how much I would make. Google takes 25% of the list price. Best wishes, Rainbow


  • Would you do it for $150 total? Can you also explain your methodology so that I know that you are putting together something that will be useful for me? Thanks.


  • My methodology: First I search for RCGs in a particular state. For example in Alabama there are 33 RCGs. For each one, I take the zip code and enter it into a database that provides the zip codes that are within a 30-mile mile radius from that zip code. I then look for FMC's with zipcodes that correspond with the given zipcodes listed. I will continue this research for the new price offered. However, it may take 3-4 days to complete. I hope this doesn't cause you any inconvenience. Best regards, Rainbow


  • Hi jguttman, I have begun the additional research for you. Hopefully I will have this completed by early next week. I hope this does not cause you any inconvenience. Best wishes, Rainbow


  • The sooner the better. Thanks.


  • Hi jguttman, I have completed all the requested data for the US states, excluding Illinois. This state alone has hundreds of centers that fit the criteria you have specified. Would you like me to post the completed data as an answer now and continue to work working on Illinois (which I estimate may take approximately one week to complete). Alternatively you may like to consider reducing the radius of the area for the centers located in Illinois. Looking forward to your clarification. Best wishes, Rainbow


  • Please post what you have and give me the Illinois data later. However, I find 38 RCI centers and 52 FMC centers in Illinois. How is that hundreds?


  • Here's an example by what I mean when I say hundreds: RCG - BERWYN is within a 30 mile radius of 44 different FMCs. There are over 35 other RCGs in Illinois which closely fit the same criteria. This makes a list of approximately 1,500 combinations of centers within a 30 mile radius of each other. Best regards, Rainbow


  • Hi jguttman, At the following url, you will find a Text file with the list of centers that are within 30 miles of each other. I have also included the number of miles. http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1FA0CE2HXDALO1DNHMVMGK03RV This file will remain on the server for only 7 days, so please download it as soon as possible. Sources of Research: MediCare http://www.medicare.gov/Dialysis/Include/DataSection/Questions/SearchCriteria.asp?version=default&browser=IE%7C6%7CWinXP&language=English&defaultstatus=0&pagelist=Home Zip Codes http://www.zip-codes.com/zip-code-radius-finder.asp I hope the information provided is helpful. Best regards, Rainbow


  • thanks. is there any easy way to find out what the total number of overlaps are (i.e. how many pairs are in this text file)?


  • Other than counting them, I see no way. Best wishes, Rainbow


  • Hi jguttman, At the following url, you will find the remaining data you have requested. http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08JLMOJGU1UTV3B8Y04U8T63OL All the best, Rainbow







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